Advocacy in action
An interview with Association
of Veterinarians for
Animal Rights President Paula Kislak, DVM
Founded in 1981, the Association of
Veterinarians for Animal Rights (AVAR) is an international association of
veterinarians with 2615 member veterinarians. Dr Paula Kislak is the president
of the
AVAR. She is a 1984 graduate of the University of Florida College of Veterinary
Medicine. She and her husband are relief
veterinarians practicing in Santa Barbara, California.
Dr Kislak, a vegan, has been a member of AVAR since 1989.
Q. How does AVAR prioritize its efforts in advocating for animal rights?
A. The AVAR is committed to balancing the needs of human and nonhuman
animals. I think most people would agree that a balance is warranted, but exactly
where one draws the line in terms of the welfare of the animals or the perceived welfare
of the humans is where there often is a discrepancy.
Our first priority is in veterinary education. We're trying to make veterinary
education more humane. We want there to be no harming or killing of animals in
veterinary education. We believe that animals need
to be used, but used humanely.
Some elements of large animal medicine education are already more humane in
that the practical experience that the student gets is out on the farm and in the field.
In the small animal curriculum, animals come from pounds and from biomedical
supply houses, as opposed to students doing surgeries on animals that go back to a
shelter for adoption.
We've been involved in introducing and lobbying for legislation, such as shelter
reform in the state of California. We're a strong proponent of early spay-neuter
programs for dogs and cats. We've been involved in legislation to ban downer
cows from the food chain. And, we're trying to get the USDA to enforce the Animal
Welfare Act as it pertains to veterinary schools.
Q. How does AVAR define "family farm"?
A. The AVAR has a position that defines factory farming, but to my knowledge
we don't have a statement defining family farm. In my opinion, a family farm
should be owned or managed by a family, as opposed to a factory farm that is owned by
a corporation or conglomerate. A family farm would treat the animals on the
farm as individuals, not as production units, which is how they are referred to on
factory farms. Once you see animals as
individuals, I like to think that there would be
quality of life considerations such as providing space where the animals would have
the ability to interact in social groups or engage in normal behavior like
grooming, exercising, foraging, sunning, or
bathing. My impression is that family farms are
less stressful, less contaminated because the animals aren't confined to their own
feces; therefore, there's less need for antibiotics
or chemicals.
Q. Does AVAR believe that family farms should be able to raise livestock
for slaughter?
A. In principle, AVAR opposes the raising of nonhuman animals for food or
fiber. But, it's unlikely in the foreseeable
future that most people would be able to, or willing to, adhere to a purely plant-based
diet. Until such time as that occurs, in the interim, we strongly advocate more
humane means of raising nonhuman animals for human consumption.
Q. Is AVAR's ultimate goal to not have farms; is it a meatless agenda?
A. I wouldn't say it's an agenda. I would say, if there's an agenda, it's to improve
the conditions that nonhuman animals live in today. AVAR is a very practical
organization. We are practical enough to understand that most people are not going
to change their eating and living habits. There are many groups, though, that are trying
to get them to understand why they should. That's not our primary goal. It's
probably not even our secondary goal. I'm not saying that it's not one of our principles,
but it's not one of our active goals. Our active goal is to see that animals that are used
for consumption have some freedom to move so they can groom and exercise, and
that they are housed in social groups with as close to natural conditions as
possible. We'd like to see them under conditions that are not so stressful and so
contaminated that we have to use widespread amounts of drugs, hormones, and
other artificial treatments. We'd like them to be free from unnecessary mutilations,
like debeaking. When animals have to be transported, we'd like the transportation to
be better. We'd like it to not be too hot, for there to be ample room to move
around, that there be hay or some non-slippery substance on the bottom of the
transportation conveyance so they aren't slipping
in their own feces or urine. We'd like to see them have better medical care. We'd
like them to be slaughtered humanely.
Q. Does AVAR have a position on the keeping of animals as pets?
A. No, not to my knowledge. I would say that we probably don't have a
position. People are going to have pets. People
are going to eat animals. So what can we do to make it better? On the pet side, we'd
like to see people not get pets who will suffer as a result of having been inbred. We
would like to see people go to places such as rescue organizations or shelters to get
animals. We're not trying to get people to not
keep pets. There is a certain amount of exploitation involved, but it's minimized, I
hope, by most guardians taking into consideration what does the pet want and need.
Q. If I attended an AVAR meeting and requested a meal with meat, would
AVAR accommodate the request?
A. There have been circumstances where people have brought meat. Our
meetings are small and catered. It's not like we
have a hotel at our disposal to make a variety of dishes. We wouldn't buy a meat platter
just to accommodate you. But, we have had people bring sandwiches or meals that
contained meat, and we haven't kicked them out or ostracized them.
For many years, I brought meals when I attended AVMA conventions. It's only
in the past decade that you can reliably get a vegetarian meal. In my opinion, that
is mostly because people are watching their health, rather than having ethical
objections to eating animals.
Q. Is there anything else that you would like to say to the AASV membership?
A. The AVMA's Principles of Veterinary Medical Ethics (2003 revision) states:
"Veterinarians should first consider the needs
of the patient: to relieve disease, suffering, or disability while minimizing pain or
fear." The AVAR encourages all members of our profession to respect these principles.
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